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		<title>By: Comments on 07/23/08 &#171; natedavidscott.com&#124;working to be debt free</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comments on 07/23/08 &#171; natedavidscott.com&#124;working to be debt free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://liberta.co.za/blog/what-is-financial-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just to add a couple thoughts.  while, it maybe be a few years of HARD work to achieve financial freedom, life does still go on.  who&#039;s to say you can&#039;t have fun while working hard?  or maybe work hard for a week, play hard for a day--whatever works with your schedule.
i have a family--wife and 4 kids, and one on the way.  we have been working hard, but because of that, the enjoyment that comes from play time has been intensified because of the work.  you don&#039;t have to have things to have fun, and you definitely don&#039;t need a life of comfort to have enjoyment.

secondly, about Balance.  i think it&#039;s a very hard state to obtain.  i think rhythm would be more achievable.  what is your life&#039;s rhythm?  do this for a while, do that for a while.  we all have tons of responsibilities --wife, kids, parents, in-laws, church, work, 2nd jobs, community, etc, etc, etc.  that&#039;s a lot to balance.
i think the average person has given up the right to seek balance in their life.  if you&#039;re in debt, you&#039;re already totally turned upside and knocked off balance.  i would recommend waiting till you at least get out of debt before even thinking about balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just to add a couple thoughts.  while, it maybe be a few years of HARD work to achieve financial freedom, life does still go on.  who&#8217;s to say you can&#8217;t have fun while working hard?  or maybe work hard for a week, play hard for a day&#8211;whatever works with your schedule.<br />
i have a family&#8211;wife and 4 kids, and one on the way.  we have been working hard, but because of that, the enjoyment that comes from play time has been intensified because of the work.  you don&#8217;t have to have things to have fun, and you definitely don&#8217;t need a life of comfort to have enjoyment.</p>
<p>secondly, about Balance.  i think it&#8217;s a very hard state to obtain.  i think rhythm would be more achievable.  what is your life&#8217;s rhythm?  do this for a while, do that for a while.  we all have tons of responsibilities &#8211;wife, kids, parents, in-laws, church, work, 2nd jobs, community, etc, etc, etc.  that&#8217;s a lot to balance.<br />
i think the average person has given up the right to seek balance in their life.  if you&#8217;re in debt, you&#8217;re already totally turned upside and knocked off balance.  i would recommend waiting till you at least get out of debt before even thinking about balance.</p>
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		<title>By: Francois Viljoen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francois Viljoen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Damian:

Your comment brought back a lot of memories for me. I&#039;m sitting here feeling nostalgic and grinning from ear to ear. Those were tough times, but good nevertheless!

Firstly, you are &lt;i&gt;absolutely right&lt;/i&gt;. I was a freak! I really did take it to the next level, and way beyond what I&#039;d recommend to most people.

I was so focussed on achieving my financial goals, that to an extent I even neglected to take care of &lt;a href=&quot;/blog/the-only-things-that-mean-anything/&quot; title=&quot;The only things that mean anything&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the most important things in life&lt;/a&gt;.

However, there are two things I should say here:


&lt;b&gt;1. It&#039;s not 10 or more years of no fun. Really, it&#039;s not.&lt;/b&gt;

For the average Joe, to become financially free, it does NOT have to be an &quot;arduous struggle for 10 or more years&quot;, as you put it.

Most of the sacrifices one needs to make are &lt;i&gt;during the initial stages&lt;/i&gt;, while you have to work hard to &lt;i&gt;get out of debt&lt;/i&gt;, and &lt;i&gt;save up a buffer&lt;/i&gt;. For the average person this period will last approximately &lt;i&gt;two to three years&lt;/i&gt;.

Even if you only manage to get out of debt, save up a buffer, and then resume your previous life-style, being out of debt should allow you to now maintain your previous living standard without having to make debt again (you&#039;re now just working one month ahead instead of one month behind).

I also wouldn&#039;t expect anyone to go to the extremes that I went to. Most people also have families, and you need to take care of your family.


&lt;b&gt;2. About sleeping on the floor...&lt;/b&gt;

I&#039;m chuckling about this. Yes, for six months I did refuse to buy a bed and even a mattress.

However, I did not only do this because I was saving up to be able to quit my job to do freelance work.

I had some other reasons too. It was reminder to myself that many things we regard as &lt;i&gt;necessities&lt;/i&gt;, and that we insist we can&#039;t live without, are not really so necessary.

I figured if I can survive sleeping on the floor, I can survive a lot of other stuff too.

I was also intrigued by the fact that some cultures (e.g. traditional Japanese samurai) slept on the floor. I found this to be a strange act of discipline and self-denial, but at the same time somehow purifying.

Lastly, sleeping on the floor all that time helped me to look at little luxuries in a different way, and have a true appreciation for the small things in life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Damian:</p>
<p>Your comment brought back a lot of memories for me. I&#8217;m sitting here feeling nostalgic and grinning from ear to ear. Those were tough times, but good nevertheless!</p>
<p>Firstly, you are <i>absolutely right</i>. I was a freak! I really did take it to the next level, and way beyond what I&#8217;d recommend to most people.</p>
<p>I was so focussed on achieving my financial goals, that to an extent I even neglected to take care of <a href="/blog/the-only-things-that-mean-anything/" title="The only things that mean anything" rel="nofollow">the most important things in life</a>.</p>
<p>However, there are two things I should say here:</p>
<p><b>1. It&#8217;s not 10 or more years of no fun. Really, it&#8217;s not.</b></p>
<p>For the average Joe, to become financially free, it does NOT have to be an &#8220;arduous struggle for 10 or more years&#8221;, as you put it.</p>
<p>Most of the sacrifices one needs to make are <i>during the initial stages</i>, while you have to work hard to <i>get out of debt</i>, and <i>save up a buffer</i>. For the average person this period will last approximately <i>two to three years</i>.</p>
<p>Even if you only manage to get out of debt, save up a buffer, and then resume your previous life-style, being out of debt should allow you to now maintain your previous living standard without having to make debt again (you&#8217;re now just working one month ahead instead of one month behind).</p>
<p>I also wouldn&#8217;t expect anyone to go to the extremes that I went to. Most people also have families, and you need to take care of your family.</p>
<p><b>2. About sleeping on the floor&#8230;</b></p>
<p>I&#8217;m chuckling about this. Yes, for six months I did refuse to buy a bed and even a mattress.</p>
<p>However, I did not only do this because I was saving up to be able to quit my job to do freelance work.</p>
<p>I had some other reasons too. It was reminder to myself that many things we regard as <i>necessities</i>, and that we insist we can&#8217;t live without, are not really so necessary.</p>
<p>I figured if I can survive sleeping on the floor, I can survive a lot of other stuff too.</p>
<p>I was also intrigued by the fact that some cultures (e.g. traditional Japanese samurai) slept on the floor. I found this to be a strange act of discipline and self-denial, but at the same time somehow purifying.</p>
<p>Lastly, sleeping on the floor all that time helped me to look at little luxuries in a different way, and have a true appreciation for the small things in life.</p>
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		<title>By: Damian</title>
		<link>http://liberta.co.za/blog/what-is-financial-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator>Damian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great definition.

I can&#039;t help but feel, that so, far your emphasis on financial freedom may give people images of a somewhat extreme path ahead. A arduous struggle for 10 or more years until they reach the magical milestone of 100% financial freedom.

I know how committed you are to this goal. To share just one example with everyone: When Francois and I shared a flat, he refused to buy a bed. Instead he chose to sleep on a rolled up blanket on the floor (occasionally he slept on the futon in the lounge). On the other hand, I bought (with my first few months paycheck and some savings) some new but reasonably priced furniture and appliances (obviously, without incurring additional debt). Even though I still had substantial study debt, I felt that it was important for me to have a comfortable place to live that felt like a home.

So here are some warnings against placing too strong a value on financial freedom. I&#039;m not saying this is what you do, I&#039;m just wary too much of a good thing.

Firstly, I can remember your reference to living ones life according to ones values and (if I may add) to ones dreams. To subjugate a dream (e.g. backpacking through Peru) or ones values (e.g. missing the first words of ones child) to the ideal of financial freedom seems like a misplaced value system. One would effectively be missing out on a life that may be lived now and that cannot be reclaimed.

Secondly, I&#039;ve always thought of money as a tool or resource. Working hard for years without any tangible reward is not a great motivator. I have chosen to work hard (even if sometimes I do not enjoy it) so that I can earn money. Money that enabled me to do things in the present that bring me happiness and enrich my life.

After that really long post I guess my entire point could be summed up in one word: Balance. 

To continue the metaphor, I view financial freedom as just one weight on the scale of my personal fulfillment.

(My apologies if this is a future Quick Tip)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great definition.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but feel, that so, far your emphasis on financial freedom may give people images of a somewhat extreme path ahead. A arduous struggle for 10 or more years until they reach the magical milestone of 100% financial freedom.</p>
<p>I know how committed you are to this goal. To share just one example with everyone: When Francois and I shared a flat, he refused to buy a bed. Instead he chose to sleep on a rolled up blanket on the floor (occasionally he slept on the futon in the lounge). On the other hand, I bought (with my first few months paycheck and some savings) some new but reasonably priced furniture and appliances (obviously, without incurring additional debt). Even though I still had substantial study debt, I felt that it was important for me to have a comfortable place to live that felt like a home.</p>
<p>So here are some warnings against placing too strong a value on financial freedom. I&#8217;m not saying this is what you do, I&#8217;m just wary too much of a good thing.</p>
<p>Firstly, I can remember your reference to living ones life according to ones values and (if I may add) to ones dreams. To subjugate a dream (e.g. backpacking through Peru) or ones values (e.g. missing the first words of ones child) to the ideal of financial freedom seems like a misplaced value system. One would effectively be missing out on a life that may be lived now and that cannot be reclaimed.</p>
<p>Secondly, I&#8217;ve always thought of money as a tool or resource. Working hard for years without any tangible reward is not a great motivator. I have chosen to work hard (even if sometimes I do not enjoy it) so that I can earn money. Money that enabled me to do things in the present that bring me happiness and enrich my life.</p>
<p>After that really long post I guess my entire point could be summed up in one word: Balance. </p>
<p>To continue the metaphor, I view financial freedom as just one weight on the scale of my personal fulfillment.</p>
<p>(My apologies if this is a future Quick Tip)</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://liberta.co.za/blog/what-is-financial-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>love that definition.  i got goose bumps thinking of that day where I will be 100% financially free.  and since i never plan to stop working at something (thanks to my achiever&#039;s drive) i got really excited about the possibilities---doing something i really want to do, not just something i need to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>love that definition.  i got goose bumps thinking of that day where I will be 100% financially free.  and since i never plan to stop working at something (thanks to my achiever&#8217;s drive) i got really excited about the possibilities&#8212;doing something i really want to do, not just something i need to do.</p>
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